Ever since the PSR9000 pro Yamaha haven't released any top arrangers with 76 key, and i assume they will not release such an instrument based on Tyros 4 either, so this poll is based on wishfull thinking from my part.


Next to i also would be interested to hear which feature you would add to the Tyros 4 pro if you where allowed to add only one extra feature to the Tyros 4 next to the 15 extra keys.

I am all for a 76-note TyrosX, but not at the expense of the 61-note version.

Extra feature (on the 61 key as well)...probably a chord sequencer similar to Korg's.

Ian

That's a strange thing to be worried about, though, Ian. Most 76's have an equivalent 61. G70 - E80... PA2X - PA800. I doubt any manufacturer would disturb an already successful product to make ONLY a 76. But when ALL making a 76 would involve is a larger case and keybed (and leave all the innards and buttons the same), the cost of making it is only a TINY fraction of producing a new model from scratch. I can't see why Yamaha are not willing to gamble on such a low-cost bet. A small production run would definitely show them whether their 'in house' (in other words, only asking 61 users their opinions) research is accurate or not!

Glad that the CS is starting to get back into our front of consciousness. Maybe if Korg AND Yamaha all have it, Roland might get the 'me too' syndrome! Mind you, a 76 T4 with a CS? I might already have jumped ship before Roland get their lazy asses in gear!

As far as I can see Yamaha have their current version of a 76 key keyboard already. They are pushing the Motif version of a synth/arranger wantabe in the S70XS. It's what some might call a half sister or Tyros/Motif love child coupleing.

Not a true arranger but has 76 keys and hammer action for those piano style players; so why would they want to produce a 76 Tyros?


Allan

It's got NOTHING to do with an arranger. Chalk and cheese. Only people trying to SELL you a MoXF are calling it an arranger/WS hybrid...

Weird thing is that hammer action 76. I don't get that. Sure, great for piano, but lousy for organ, flutes, synths, basically a LOT of sounds better played from lighter actions. I just don't see why, if you want fully weighted, you wouldn't go 88. There's not even much of a weight saving.

76 plastic offers a MUCH wider selection of things you can do well, as long as it isn't TOO light weight.

I suppose, since we are both speculating here, that they simply don't need to take the gamble.

Whether it would actually be a "low-cost bet" on a "small production run" is only a guess, as we really don't know the real costs involved.

I also suspect that a 76 note Tyros based arranger would be priced higher than an already very expensive 61-note instrument. What affect would that have on sales, we can only speculate.

Whatever the case, it doesn't appear they believe a 76'er based on the Tyros, including it's earlier iterations, is a viable venture...at least up to now.

Ian

Like all the polls I am making this sticky for a while so it stays are the top of the thread list.

Actually, if you are a piano player, weighted action isn't an issue as far as speed is concerned, for sounds like flutes, synths, guitars...piano players can play extremely fast on a weighted action instrument, or concert and jazz pianists would prefer semi-weighted keys.

In actuality, and in my own experience, organ is the only instrument a little more difficult to play on weighted keys...and that's if you are into playing smears, and slides...fast repeated notes aren't a problem for a piano player (who has kept his/her chops up), especially with today's actions having the third sensor which allows this to happen quite easily.

Most keyboardists in a band are primarily piano players, hence the need for a decent weighted action.

Generally, these players rely on a second keyboard for organ...in fact, especially for organ....I don't know too many keyboardists who would prefer a semi-weighted keyboard as their main axe, unless they aren't primarily piano players. Most, if not all, the players I see in groups, use TWO keyboards.

Ian

To answer your concern, the idea of 76 weighted is to allow the instrument to fit in the back seat of a compact car, and still allow the player his/her preferred weighted keybed.

I think two voices for lower left part would be a nice addition.Capable of being used separate or layered.

You are right Diki, the S70XS is not an arranger, but they are what Yamaha are offering in the 76 key place that an arranger could fill. The s70XS is a nice board with some interesting features, i.e. the appegiators which some do follow your chords/ notes in the left hand. A convenient transpose button unlike the motif( you have to dig for it)etc. It is angled at the piano/ stage keyboard player and , yes it is slightly easier to fit into my sized car than the S90XS but only about 2 kgs different in weight.

To be honest I love a true graded hammer action when playing piano - but only solo piano. Together with the extra keys , suits my style, but again only in that instance. Playing organ, I prefer a "waterfall" style keyboard like the Rolands VR700 - just great for glissandos, taps and smears etc.



Allan

I would be interested in ANY 76 note Yamaha arranger, especially a more affordable S910 (or similar) type model, but not having 76 keys is not a deal breaker.
Not having heated seats in my car is not a deal breaker either...although sometimes I wish I had it.

The only need imo for 76 keys (or better yet 88) is if you need to regularly play the keyboard as a solo piano in non-arranger mode. I view an arranger keyboard for what it is, an auto-accompaniment style instrument. For this, 61 notes is more than sufficient as allocating 1.5 octaves (C1-F#2) for left hand chords, still leaves 3-1/2 generous octaves, which is only 1/2 octave less than from middle C to the top note on a full 88 note acoustic grand piano. Tyros 4's got conveniently placed transpose buttons directly next the keyboard's lowest key, allowing you to instantly raise/lower the octave so you can play lower bass notes if/when required. Coming from a lifelong acoustic piano background,I feel simply adapting to the octave transpose button method, well worth the gain of the 61 note arranger's much lighter compact portability. For those 'rare' times when a full evening of solo piano repertoire is required, I'll take my lightweight Roland A33 76 note controller, but why have to drag along a larger heavier keyboard otherwise. JMO.

Songbook, a critically needed feature on Tyros, and one of the key reasons I do not buy one.

Graham, acknowledging the Korg 'Songbook' feature superior , , ,
What specific things about the Korg 'songbook' are missing from Yamaha's closest equivalent feature: 'Reg Bank' Files? Thanks.

Transpose Save also Scott. And Yamaha should utilize the whole size of the Tyros 4 display making it overall bigger to view. Lots of wasted perimeter border space unused? And make it TOUCHSCREEN/Or button operational also

Yamaha 'Registration' files already support saving transpose settings and just about every other setting on the keyboard, including calling up lyric/chord text files too.
The big irritation lies with not being able to call up Registration files from within Music Finder, where your entire songtitle listing can be stored.

This leads to my Korg Songbook question: From Songbook, is it possible optionally call up from your entire song repertoire: either alphabetically, by genre, by artist, etc?

The actual 'viewable' Tyros 4 screen area is still substantially larger, brighter, and more colorfully vivid than the Pa2X/3X and in fact for lyric/text display, @ 16 pt font size: each page supports 64 characters per line and 20 lines per page. Regrettably, the Pa2X/3x's display supports far fewer text characters per line and lines per page. As far as a touch screen goes, until the keyboard manufacturers implement the 'outdoor sunlight viewable' type of touchscreens currently available for the iPad, I'm not interested.

Hi Scott, you can sort your entire song repertoire by Type (mp3, style), Name, Genre, Key, Tempo, Meter. Additionally you can filter your entire songbook by all those criteria plus Artist.